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We now know the reason for Noah’s flood: wedding songs for homosexuals

During a radio interview with Sandy Rios of the American Family Association yesterday, Pastor Scott Lively said that homosexuality “is the issue of the end times” and that God brought on Noah’s flood “when they started writing wedding songs to homosexual marriage,” reports RightWingWatch.org (audio below).

Pastor Lively said: “The last straw for God before He brought the flood was when they started writing wedding songs to homosexual marriage and Jesus said that you’ll know the end times because it will be like the days of Noah. There’s never been a time in the history of the world since before the flood when homosexual marriage has been open and celebrated, and that’s another sign that I believe that we’re close to the end.”

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14 Responses to “ “We now know the reason for Noah’s flood: wedding songs for homosexuals”

  1. James says:

    Wow, Todd;
    I don’t know what say either. Oh, wait I know it’s reverse psychology. Hating people, marginalizing will bring them to Jesus! Oh wait a minute that was tried, they were called Pharisees.
    You know it’s not homosexuality, it was the MUSIC that drove God crazy.
    Blame it on the music guys…I’m one of them. LOL!
    How does the love of Christ and love in Him, drive us to this place of hatred?
    I’m amazed that Jesus didn’t say more, or anything about homosexuality
    but he sure had a lot to say to those who judge.
    Maybe Jesus didn’t have to say anything, because He knew we would be putting more words in His mouth, so he wouldn’t have to.
    Thanks Todd, I’m speachless
    James

  2. Fred says:

    I am so glad it is homosexuality that is to blame and not gluttony, drunkenness, adultery, hate, greed, lying, and etc. Heterosexual sins are not nearly as bad as homosexual sins.
    It’s glad it’s always someone else’s sin and not mine!

  3. Carl says:

    Reading the above comments and listening to the audio clip – how is it you conclude that this pastor is suggesting hating and marginalizing people or that he is saying that homosexuality is worse than the sins that all people engage? And how can you actually catergorize homosexual and hetreosexual sins?

    What he’s saying about homosexuality, if accurate, sounds interesting, and if so, the coorelation between homosexuality today and then is worthy to mention.

    It concerns me that, although scripture speaks clearly to homosexuality, (and Romans 1 does reveal the heartbreaking result of sin in our heart and where it leads) that when someone like this pastor speaks on the subject it is so quickly interpreted as hate-filled comments.

    Unfortunately, the media (Todd included) focuses or looks at these sorts of comments through the lenses of the extreme. Often times for self-serving purposes.

    I would hope that pastors are loving enough to accept people as Jesus does but bold enough to speak the truth as Jesus did when he encountered people held captive by sin.

  4. jolm15 says:

    I am inclined to agree. It seems that you only have to use the word” homoexual” to ellicit all sorts of reactions that seem to be ridiculously extreme.We all suely know that the ” Jesus didn’t say…” arguement does hold any water in any realistic discussion. Honestly I can’t hear any “hate” or such emotions in the interview. However what I do hear is simply very weird interpretation of scripture and a very unusual use of what some rabbi is deemed to have said for which he offers no evidence. I am not sure when we started using rabbinic opinion as the basis for biblical interpretation and it seems the only point made by the interview is one that has been made for ever, that there are all sorts of things that might indicate that Jesus is coming back soon (although who knows what soon is). Our response is therefore indicated by Jesus in Matt 24 when he tells us to be watchful because we “you do not know on what day your Lord is coming”

    • James says:

      I’m sorry Jolm15 I really can’t agree with some of your comments. Number 1). Rabbinical interpretation of scripture had better be a part of interpreting the Bible because the O.T. is THEIR BOOK. They wrote, lived it, breathed it. Who else would know how to interpret Hebrew or Chaldea? YOU, me the USA Christian? I certainly wouldn’t ask an Italian to understand German history, or better yet an Oriental to understand English History. The best we can do is to study, but to understand it’s people, the times, the entire special understanding of what it means to have been Jew is just not in our grasp. So please be serious. Maybe an even better example is a westerner understanding the many Eastern dialects of Viet Nam, Taiwain etc.
      Also any serious, intellectual discussion about what Jesus “inferred” is not only rediculous, it would be pure distortion. Of course you have to consider those things Jesus did not talk about. In fact where Jesus is silent is louder than some of the things he said. Have you ever read, “What’s so Amazing about Grace” by Philip Yancey? He gives a very strong argument for grace, and yet Jesus never used the word. Why? Because he was Grace, He lived grace, He exampled Grace before us. To define would have been to cheapen it.
      So please, consider serious argument in what Jesus DIDN’t say, the rest might make more sense.
      Your opening comment is a very good one. Yes the word homosexual does evoke many response, partly because the church has decided to blame them for every sin, love them inspite of their mess, write them off as never reconcileable. For the most part I believe the church is scared to death of homosexuality because nothing seems to have made a dent in changing the tide. All the barrels of sermons, psychological jargon, pills, shock treament doesn’t seem to have made any difference. So what do we do with them?
      Oh, and I’m old enough to remember when divorce used to have the same shameful, shunning, judging reaction as homosexuality.
      So Jesus was silent on homosexuality. Does that bother you? Because he wasn’t silent about loving your brother as yourself, forgive, asked to walk one mile go two, etc.etc. It’s covered under the blood of Jesus like all the other sins separate us from God.
      Thanks for your contribution, but I am serious about what Jesus didn’t say, and learning about the Book from those who’s heritage it belongs to and comes from. The N.T. however is our book, but with serious overtones of Hewbrew and Greek thought.
      Blessings in your pursuit of truth.
      James

      • jolm15 says:

        Thank you for your very measured response. Clearly I left it open to at least slightly misinterpret what I was saying. I did not intend to imply nor do I think that we should pay not attention to rabbinic interpretation. The interview however seems to imply, without any supporting evidence, that because a rabbi said that they were “writing songs for homosexual marriage ” in the time of Noah that the current situation regarding same sex marriage was an indicator that Jesus return is imminent. I am afraid I don’t find that interpretation the slightest persuasive.

        My comment regarding the silence of Jesus was not in any way intended to imply that his silence is not to be regarded as important. However I felt and earlier responder had implied, as I have heard so often, that because Jesus did not specifically address a subject (in this case homosexuality) we can assume we should give that matter a different priority that those things about which he speaks directly (he cites “judgement”). Once again I do not think that use of scripture is helpful and you make the same point very eloquently on the subject of grace.

        As to your question no it does not bother me in the slightest that Jesus does not speak about homosexuality. What that indicates to me is that Jesus does not classify sin so neither should I What should we do “with them?” I would say introduce them, along with everyone else, to Jesus and the power of His blood to save. Then allow Him to lead in dealing with sin, whatever it may be, as by His grace He continues to do in my life

        Finally may I say how nice it is to receive a reasoned, polite, constructive and helpful response. I recognize that what I say is merely my opinion as we together ” pursue truth”

        • James says:

          Hello Jolm15;
          I appreciate so much your thoughtful, and thought filled responses. I would love to sit and have a conversation with you. While I pose questions, and even make broad statements, it is difficult to go deep in any subject without careful, thought filled conversation. I appreciate your honesty, and a healthy provoking “me” to think and ponder these waters.

          Thank you again, for evoking in me a response, and for your analysis and perspective. Always appreciated when honest, intellectually driven, but also spiritually relevent. Many of your observations I share as well.
          Blessings my friend, and God guide you always,
          James

  5. zad says:

    Excellent comment! Sadly much of those who call themselves the church is so confused today over what is so clearly revealed in the word of God. I gotta say Todd, I’d rather be on the other side instead of mocking the direct statement that as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be….”

  6. zad says:

    Sadly Jesus was NOT silent on homosexuality. He was pretty clear that marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN and it was so in the beginning.

    • James says:

      Zad;
      Please give me clear reference chapter and verse. Not Pauline references, but Jesus’. That would be very helpful and appreciated.

  7. Rev. K. A. Christian says:

    James, what Paul preached and taught was from God.. we can’t seperate the OT from the NT… nor can we seperate the teachings/writings of Paul from the Gospels…

    • James says:

      Dear Rev. K.A.
      Actually we can and do, all the time. There were 400 years of separation in which we know is where the Pharisees came from in order to hold onto the traditions and basic religious elements of the Hewbrews. The synagague was established and many “extra” laws were added to keep the people from “sinning”.
      The very Name Old Covenant and New Covenant speaks of a huge separation of tribal rituals from animal sacrifices to the One Sacrifice, “Jesus”. All these facts you already know.
      Some protestant faiths make a huge deal out of preaching “only” from the N.T., and completely disregard the O.T. because of it being “done” away with by the more perfect law of the N.T.
      So of course we separate them, all the time. I agree that what Paul taught was from God, but he also integrated jewish tradition and at times he wasn’t sure exactly what the “Word” was when he mention about women, marriage and temple worship. He said, not God, but I Paul say, or he gave indication that he might even be wrong.
      The two are tied together by God Himself, but what we see is the evolution of man’s understanding and thinking about God, in the O.T. The N.T. Jesus came to show, ilustrate in himself where the Hewbrew/Jewish understanding of God was wrong. Same God, but different understanding, comprehension, experience, and even application of what God meant.
      One of the oldest books in the O.T. Ruth, understood God to be the author of Good and Evil, as Naomi demonstrated the lament of the death of her family.
      If cannot recognize and embrace the differences, as well as the people living and interpreting God’s law and motivation to work in their lives, then we come up with some pretty shakey conclusions to why God did what He did in the O.T.
      Yes, I agree same God, but totally different mind, circumstance, experiences, of the same people.
      Small illustration which you may disagree but I’ll give it anyway. Are you personally responsible for the slavery of the Africans a hundred-fifty plus or minus years ago. Of course you’re not, because through a war, legislation, hopefully human growth, culture, technology, etc. we are a different people. Yes we are linked because of the hard heartedness, selfishness, prejudice, pride and arrogance of our species. But our perception of Blacks today is totally different than from the beginnings of slavery in this country. And I hope history will reflect that because we voted in a Black president will show that we’ve somehow, through God’s grace, grown a little toward tolerace, forbarence and grace. Some still choose to be neanderthals, but that’s how it’s always been.
      Now, your last comment:we can’t separate the teachings or writings of Paul from the Gospels. Are you saying Paul’s words are the same, or have the same weight at Jesus’ words? Be careful in your answer, because that slippery slope will lead to this question. If you’re representing God, are your words given the same weight as Paul’s, Jesus’, Moses?
      If you are, then those preachers who supported Hitler, slavery, separatist beliefs in the name of God, must be considered the same as the Gospel words.
      Intellectual honesty, demands we have more discernment, and care in lumping the whole mass together.
      Thank you for responding, I welcome the debate. I’ve been a pastor for some fourty years and I’ve wrestled with alot of these issues. And they are complex and there is no easy answer.
      Blessings in your pursuit of truth
      James

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