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Vicky Beeching on her ‘Coming Out’: “We Live in Historic Times”

Last year, Worship Artist and Song Writer Vicky Beeching shocked many when she announced she was gay.  You probably sing some of Vicky’s songs in your church (like Glory to God Forever).

The revelation sent shock-waves through the Christian community… some even asking if it was ok to sing Beeching’s songs anymore.

But now, the shock has worn off, and Beeching sat down for her first full interview since ‘coming out’.  Here are some quotes I found interesting…

Coming out was one of the best decisions of my life. I have absolutely no regrets about doing so and just wish I’d done it much sooner. It’s brought me a huge amount of joy, but also a sense of grief for the years I ‘lost’ by not being fully myself.

I’ve met an incredible woman and we are now dating, so that’s a huge source of happiness for me. When I think back to a year ago, I could not have imagined how happy I’d be today. It’s proof that when you step into full authenticity, life starts to flow better and you feel a renewed sense of energy and hope.

I am certain that LGBT equality is reaching a tipping point in society and that the church will follow that trajectory. We live in historic times as we see these huge shifts take place. I’m looking forward to doing all I can with my remaining days and years to be a voice for equality, to challenge the status quo, and to encourage LGBT people that God loves us just the way we are. – See more at: http://elielcruz.religionnews.com/2015/01/28/gay-christian-songwriter-vicky-beeching-live-historic-times/#sthash.AMrwcbBd.dpuf

 

Read more here…

Thoughts?

 

22 Comments

  • Dea. Daryl Jones February 16, 2015 Reply

    Whatever Vicky was or is singing about, she apparently didn’t believe it. She made her name, as is becoming more and more common, on the backs of Christians. Both her and the churches that are “relaxing” the words spoken by Jesus himself, fall into Math. 24:11, also Math. 7: 21- 23. You have your reward now, succoming to this world and it’s father, the Devil. No matter what means you try to justify your carnal behavior, God’s word shall prevail in eternity. I will pray for you, because you and those who lead the sheep astray will pay a heavy, eternal price. God is still holy!!

  • David Charlton February 16, 2015 Reply

    Good for her. I applaud her move, and though many may condemn her I believe she did what is right and she is being the person God created her to be. We have entered a time when there is a greater understanding about a person’s sexuality being more than a “choice;” it is their nature, not a choice. She may have resisted opening up about who she is – and who could blame her, when so many in the church are ready to condemn – but cannot resist who she really is. God bless her.

    • Lisa February 16, 2015 Reply

      DNA evidence suggests that homosexuality could be hereditary and, therefore, not a choice. However, there is compelling evidence that cancer is hereditary and, therefore, not a choice either, yet we fight cancer very aggressively because it can lead to our death. We need to fight homosexuality just as aggressively because, it to, can bring about our demise!

    • Harry February 16, 2015 Reply

      Sincerely, you need to think through what you just said: “God made her a (gay) homosexual.”

      You are stating: God created sin.
      In effect you are blaming God for her sin.
      This is the accussation of Satan in the garden.

  • Michael February 16, 2015 Reply

    Let God’s word be true and every man a liar. God says that homosexuality is a sin, and to openly flaunt and practice it shows you don’t know Him.

  • Andrew February 16, 2015 Reply

    Here is the problem: “I am certain that LGBT equality is reaching a tipping point in society and that the church will follow that trajectory”.
    Having met Ms. Beeching when she led music at a church I previously worked at, the “big sell” for her music was that she studied theology. However, how can we claim we have studied theology when our view is that the church will and/or should follow culture? This is the larger issue that promulgates a myriad of falsehoods in lifestyle choices. The church is not to follow the whims and sinful lifestyles of culture, the church is supposed to be salt and light and maintaining sound doctrine is essential to this. Old and New Testaments reveal the struggle for people to follow God and not the ways of culture. Sexuality was never meant to “define” us but rather our newness in Christ and call to be a living stone.

    • James February 19, 2015 Reply

      It’s a sad day when we, the church, can’t see we losing the battle, because we “FAIL” to listen to what the world is saying. They’re saying “YOU Guys aren’t relevant”. Our churches don’t speak to real issues, they’re too busy telling the “old” story and it isn’t meaningful, relevant and no one is listening, not even the people in the pew.
      The world is what it is because it is a reflection of the religious community. Yeah, you read that right. If we’re so right, then why isn’t the world turned by our rightness? Because the world views us as arrogant, judgmental and frankly not important.
      When we take up offense, we’ve lost the battle. Being offended is a move of the ego and pride. And ego simply means Edging God Out, and we the faith community have done a great job edging God out of our call to integrate His Spirit into life.
      I realize my words are confronting this thread of thinking. I feel someone has to awaken the eyes of “traditional” thinking and living that what we’re doing isn’t working.
      Programs, hymn sings, contemporary bands, choirs, big buildings….it’s all window dressing for those inside those walls. When our lives become a living sacrifice dedicated to love God’s creation with all his warts and wrinkles then we’ll have something to offer. Right now all we’re offering is one set of empty words for another set of emptier words.

  • James Gill February 16, 2015 Reply

    America is reminding me of Sodom and Gomorrah. We know how God dealt with them.

  • Mike February 16, 2015 Reply

    Two things are clear from the teachings of Jesus. The church does not join the culture, but calls out to culture (Matthew 5-7). The way of the King and the Kingdom is always contrary to the earthly. The way of the gospel necessitates an admission of our brokenness. Second, God created man and woman and marriage (Matthew 19). Our sexual identity is connected to our gender identity. If one’s sexual identity is in contradiction to one’s gender identity, then it is one of two things. First, it is a part of our fallenness and the invasion of sin into our world and lives and nature. Or second, God has set up a cruel hoax in making sure our gender and our sexuality never align for pro-creation. Because I believe in grace and faith, which necessitates confession of sin and surrender of heart, I am going to believe the first choice. Homosexuality is like all other sexual sins. It is our attempt to satisfy cravings in ways God never intended. Homosexuality, adultery, pre-marital sex, and such are not a part of God’s intended sexuality. It is sad to see a culture redefine what is healthy and true because it is easier to ask the church to change than to trust God to make one a new creation.

    • James February 19, 2015 Reply

      Just adding a small thread to the discussion. First of all, most of you are making a huge leap into the realm of belief saying that “marriage” has been instituted by God. That’s a leap because throughout the O.T. marriage was very ambiguous. Especially for the Kings of Israel. How many wives did Solomon and David have???? Uh Oh, where is marriage defined?
      The next leap is “we” all think we are saying the same thing when we talk about the Gospel, faith, the world, holiness, God, Jesus. Most of our beliefs have not been hammered out in the halls of research, prayer, study comparing languages, interpretations, perceptions, cultural influences. Most of us accept what’s been handed to us on blind “faith”. One thread said the previous scholars, holy, learned men. Sorry if you research deeply you’ll find such doctrines of hell, angels etc. were used to scare people into submission, and obedience.
      How does this fit our current discussion? Most of what I’ve read lacks integrity of exploring the scriptures honestly and openly. Most of our strength as Christians has come from agreeing to the party line, like an organization. If we were to look honestly at just Jesus’ teaching, where does he teach sanctity of marriage, homosexuality, transgender, bi-sexuality? You won’t find it, why? Because that wasn’t the central issue. Abstention has never been the issue of the Gospel, it’s always been about relationship with God, our Father. And the rest is window dressing. When we major in the minors we get details, jot & tittle, straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.
      If the church could just for a moment center upon the tragedies of humanities loneliness, hunger for spiritual connection with our Creator, the rest will take care of itself. You won’t have “Gay’s” are going to hell legislation, but you will have a platform to truly speak and practice unconditional love….minus all the judgement, marginalizing, and empty theological arguments.

  • Larry Silverman February 16, 2015 Reply

    It is obvious that the Church has to face some very important decisions on ministering to the Gay community. We have missed “it” through ministering condemnation to these people who Christ died for! I don’t have the answers but God has them for us, we just need to listen to Him instead of just being agents of condemnation.

  • Lisa February 16, 2015 Reply

    While we, as Christians, are in the world, we are not to be of the world. Homosexuality is clearly of the world. Deception is the devil’s most significant tool and, sadly, “even the elect are being deceived.” We, as Christians, need to make our voices heard and stand up for the true, unadulterated Word of God.

    • Todd Rhoades February 16, 2015 Reply

      “We, as Christians, need to make our voices heard and stand up for the true, unadulterated Word of God.”

      That’s clearly not working, Lisa. Unfortunately.

      Culturally, when we stand on this issue, we drive a wedge that drives people away who need to hear our message.

      That’s why this issue is so difficult.

      Todd

      • Lisa February 17, 2015 Reply

        Todd, sadly, we (Christians) are not standing up for the Word of God at all. While statistics vary slightly, by all accounts less than 5% of the U.S. population acknowledge being homosexual. This relatively small voice has caused a major cultural shift that has permeated nearly every facet of life as we know it – marriage, education, adoption/child rearing, etc. Conversely, roughly 77% of the U.S. population ascribe to being Christian, suggesting there should be a powerful voice and almost a “no-brainer” that the Christian lifestyle should be the preeminent model. Clearly, that is not the case. We have sat back and watched corporate prayer being banned in schools, the rainbow curriculum and evolutionary theory being taught in every classroom across America, and, now, homosexual marriage becoming uniformly accepted in every state. In the name of tolerance, Christians have been quick to accept everything thrown at them.

        I am not saying we should condemn those who choose to live a life contrary to true Biblical teaching. Certainly, we need to embrace them and even go after them like the lost sheep. By the same token, we need to start teaching and imparting true Biblical principles to the unchurched, the churched and dare I even say fellow clergy who have been deceived by the world.

        And, yes, we do need to take a stand on any and all issues that threaten our beliefs and, if it alienates some people, so be it. God has given us free will. Some will choose to follow God and some will not. As Jesus sent out the apostles to preach “the Good News”, he instructed them to depart from the house or city that would not receive the word and shake the dust off their feet as they leave. Jesus did not want his apostles to be deceived or tempted to go astray, nor did he want them to expend time on people who were not willing to accept their message, possibly sacrificing those in the next town who may have readily embraced their teachings.

        Without a doubt, this is a very controversial issue, one that could create a serious divide in the church. I pray for God’s divine wisdom for us all in navigating our future.

  • Jim Birch February 16, 2015 Reply

    Lord Jesus, have mercy on Vicky. Give her the grace to receive that mercy. We the believers bind our faith to demand darkness to loose her, and we thank You Lord for the preveledge to intercede on her behalf.

  • Norman Yukers February 16, 2015 Reply

    In my study of Theology, I cannot accept that God would create a homosexual and then condemn homosexuality. I do not believe homosexuality is any greater sin than adultery or stealing etc., but we cannot let culture define for us who we are as Christians. Every sinner, and we all are, is loved by God. But if we fail to repent and call on Him we won’t see him.

  • Dan February 16, 2015 Reply

    I think we need to be profiling and sharing the stories of people like Wesley Hill and Julie Rodgers. They are gay, but believe Scripture does not guide them to act on their attraction and are living fulfilled lives and speaking about it. Their stories need to be told more in addition to the Vicky Beechings so the church can see examples of faithfulness from those who have the same attractions as Vicky does but responds differently to how they view Scripture and with their lives.

    • Todd Rhoades February 16, 2015 Reply

      Great suggestion, Dan. I’ll check into their stories!

      Todd

  • Todd Rhoades February 16, 2015 Reply

    We can debate theology all day long. I, too, am in the camp that homosexuality is condemned by scripture.

    But the question I want to ask here is… what will the church look like in five years on this topic?

    Personally, I think the ship has sailed. We’ll see more artists, pastors, and churches ‘come out’.

    The question is… how will we respond? And who will reach those who need Jesus (whether gay or straight)?

    What think you?

    Todd

  • Lee Cummings February 19, 2015 Reply

    Todd
    I am reminded of Eugene Peterson’s translation of Ephesians — “The Church, you see is not peripheral to the world, the world is peripheral to the Church.”
    I think there are so many issues connected to this discussion that they all get jumbled together and like a kid, trying to untie a massive knot in his shoe lace – throws it in the corner — we are getting frustrated with old responses and “go to” arguments for this one.

    On one hand, the Church has done a miserable job of walking with people who experience same sex attraction or who have delved into homosexual lifestyles. We have been comfortable with people keeping it to themselves, allowing us to objectify this issue.

    On the other hand, we (The American/western Church) has for a long time experienced the favor of society as an institution. We like having a place at the table and being celebrated. We call it “relevance” but what we mean is that in the market place of “add-on- accessory parts” for people to build “better lives”– we have had such awesome product placement — we don’t want to lose that. As a pastor of a large, thriving church, I must confess that I have loved it as much as the next. The problem becomes when culture begins to bend a degree or two in a direction that the church cannot and over time we begin to see and experience the contrast and the conflict.
    This is not something new. The Church, historically has had to deal with the reality that in this world, the Gospel is counter cultural, that as Christ’s followers, we will experience persecution, That people will hate us, the message will sound like foolishness (especially to post-modern Greeks who have no O.T/Biblical worldview for us to draw from)

    We must remember that this isn’t really an issue for “most” of the Church, just the Western church that only makes up about 25-30% of Christianity globally. In Latin America, Africa, Asia and India — this isn’t even on their radar. They still,for the most part, “believe” the 2,000 year old stance of the historic church — that homosexual behavior is sinful and to be rejected as a legitimate expression of human sexuality. Not to say that homosexuality isn’t an issue in those cultures, they just have not experienced the social pressure to accept it.

    In America, we don’t want to be rejected, so we are willing to rethink the scriptures that we embrace as Holy and Sacred. My concern, is after this issue has swung fully here, what issue is next? We won’t accept 2,000 years of the greatest minds and scholars interpretation on this issue, then are there other issues that we are willing to throw to the curbside in order to keep our seat at the table? How about Historical Jesus? Was He divine? What about the resurrection? was that real?
    The real issue is not human sexuality — it is whether the Church will be faithful to Scripture in all issues and work to address the needs in our culture, continuing to love fallen human beings enough to define our sinfulness in order to offer the gift of salvation to those who will humbly receive it or will be we trade in truth or approval of the world?

  • Jade February 24, 2015 Reply

    This makes me sad all the way around. I think at times, God’s words can be offensive to others, only because they don’t see the truth behind them, and I don’t want to do anything that could prevent me from speaking truth into their life. It is very clear in scripture God’s take on this. We don’t need to shove God’s word down People’s throats and yet we don’t need to apologize for it as well. I have had open homosexual couples in my churches before. I accepted them as a person, as I would anyone who came into our church. I chose to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and felt I should rely on the Holy Spirit to convict them rather than for me to point at it. I had been over to their home and they knew exactly where I stood, but yet I didn’t feel the need to remind them of it all the time. This though, a leader in the church coming out and saying its ok, is so sad and damaging to her and others. Such a sad thing for all involved.

  • Peter Hamm March 12, 2015 Reply

    Some of the comments here are shocking. Where is the love?

    How many Bible passages are there about slavery? And yet today, virtually all Christians condemn it.

    How many passages condemn greed and gluttony, and yet, today, virtually all western Christians ignore them.

    There are 7 passages that seem to refer to homosexual behavior, and David Gushee (and others) make a strong case that we are mistranslating and misunderstanding perhaps all of them. If you care about this issue, you might want to read his book “Changing Our Mind” and even if you don’t change your mind on this issue, you might come to grips with the fact that people who have changed their minds on this issue are still Christian. Here’s a link for that short and very informative book. http://www.amazon.com/Changing-Our-Mind-David-Gushee/dp/1939880769

    One way or another, those on the ideologically conservative side will end up having to deal with this, and I pray that they do a better more loving job than we have in the past. Best to be informed so you can love and understand your LGBT brother and sister instead of just condemning them.

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