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Quotes of the Day: Mark Driscoll

A couple quotes from this article:

“The church is dying and no one is noticing because we’re wasting time criticizing rather than evangelizing.”

and

“You didn’t think you were here to kill time listening to Christian music until Jesus returned, did you?”

Thoughts?

Todd



6 Responses to “ “Quotes of the Day: Mark Driscoll”

  1. PastorShane says:

    Both are right on the money…..
    I don’t ask, “If” there will be an riff in the church each week — instead I ask, “Where” it will be….. The only element of surprise is “Who” will be the instigator….. 99% of the time it is over either church music or the most correct Bible Translation…..
    It makes me tired….

  2. Trapper says:

    Well, (A), the criticism he’s criticizing originated in his camp and from his ilk…it’s bad only now that it’s coming back in his direction, huh? Typical hypocrisy.

    (B), the Christian music he seems to be criticizing is actually closing in on becoming the most-listened-to radio format in a number of markets, including his own of Seattle, believe it or not! I realize the following is an impossibility for those in his doctrinal camp, but, in a way, Christian music now IS the evangelism he claims to want! So why is he being so snide and derisive? Perhaps it’s because…

    (C), he ordered his church’s bands to come up with (cough…sorry…”the Lord lead them to make”) “doctrinally correct” music to try to spread his cultish beliefs and sank his church’s money into self-promoting those efforts because no big record label wanted to get involved. Unfortunately for him, those efforts are not exactly seeing big success. So which is the truth — what he said or what he did?? The actual actions of trying to make and promote said music or the new words of complaint after coming up lacking at it??

    • Trapper, you are so wrong man!. I will address your comments in (C) with my own experience. We planted a church in Ann Arbor, Michigan, one of the most unchurched cities in the US. I have been using tons of Mars Hill music and every week the only music people want to hear or that I get compliments on is their stuff or Gungor’s music. We are 4 years into this plant, we have almost 500 people in our church and our average age in the congregation is roughly 29 years old. So, Mark knows what he is talking about and Christian music is lame…that is what I have the musicians telling me who audition, I have 40 and 50 year olds in our church who say that is why they come to our church, even though it is way younger than their demographic, and even Gungor pushes back against the lameness of Christian music sub-culture. Get with it dude, you are behind the times.

      • Trapper says:

        > Get with it dude, you are behind the times.

        Okay, “man,” I know you’re trained to ridicule first and ridicule often, but let’s avoid that here.

        And I know you’re trained to change the subject to distract people away from the point being made, but let’s avoid that here, okay?

        You’ll notice, if you’re honest and fair, that I was speaking of Christian music on the whole, especially that which has enough mass appeal to be played on radio and not the subset of worship music used only in Calvinist church plants during weekend services.

        What it appears you don’t know is that these people are under orders to try to infiltrate and take over Christian music in America the same way these people have been infiltrating and taking over churches (especially those with good real estate and weak constitutions and bylaws) in America. So far, the labels have tried to avoid these efforts, knowing how divisive and destructive they could be. Mars Hill has distribution, yes, but it doesn’t have anything close to a normal record deal. And, as far as the mainstream goes, yes, “dude,” their releases are stiffs…”flops,” you might call them.

        But that’s not even *really* the subject….the subject is Mark’s seeming ridiculing of the genre after failing at trying to gain some control over it. Had he succeeded in that scheme, would he be including the above line in his conference sales brochures? I think not…..which, of course, means I believe you’re seeing yet more hypocrisy from him and his camp.

  3. Kristen says:

    I think the entire point of the quote’s been missed by all so far. In no way is he bashing Christian music. He simply seems to be referring to people that surround themselves in a Christian bubble and don’t get out and evangelize. Both of these quotes are about evangelism and have nothing to do with an attack on Christian music.

  4. Fred says:

    I stopped listening to anything that man says long ago. He is totally discredited..

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