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Exposing False Teachers

Cornerstone Baptist Church of Chuluota, FL has an interesting way of exposing false teachers to their congregation… they post them on their website.  You can see the latest list here.

Making the list (at least today) is Harold Camping, Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, and Bill Hybels.

The site is complete with youtube links and biblical refutes.  Gotta love that.

But don’t worry… “more to be added continually’.  And if you have a problem, you can always call Cornerstone at 971-SOULS.

Thoughts?

Todd

 



44 Responses to “ “Exposing False Teachers”

  1. I’m sorry… and why don’t people want to go to church anymore? It took all of five minutes for me to find things on their website that I could use scriptures to refute.

    1 Corinthians 1:12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” 13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

    (Of course I understand that by making this comment, I’m actually doing what they did… I’m a complex guy)

  2. Peter says:

    What a great church to avoid.

  3. Richard says:

    I’ll go out on a limb here and say there are some people on that list I wouldn’t want people to read or listen to. It is kind of an “out there” thing to post on your website. I might address these things in private conversation. But are people really not going to church because of what a Baptist church in Florida is posting are their website?

  4. Matt says:

    Wow… I get the whole importance of being aware of false teachers, and I’m not downplaying the importance of proper doctrine. However, it doesn’t take genius or maturity to point out error. It does take a mature Christian leader to identify that there are parts of the Body of Christ that has different functions. Not all can be an eye. Then, it takes even more maturity in how to interact with another ministry that has a completely different function. No wonder as to why the Bride is a dismembered mess.

  5. Ken Silva says:

    “The site is complete with youtube links and biblical refutes. Gotta love that.

    But don’t worry… ‘more to be added continually’. And if you have a problem, you can always call Cornerstone at 971-SOULS.”

    Well, since you asked; looks to me like you’re holding the church up to make fun of it. A little ODM-ish, no?

  6. Todd,

    Here’s a better question, who is more faithful to God’s Word and and what He has commanded Christians and churches regarding false doctrine and false teachers?

    A) Cornerstone Baptist Church of Chuluota, FL or
    B) Peter Drucker the Founder of Leadership Network.

    Here’s what the Bible says on this matter:

    “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive” (Romans 16:17–19)

    “For there are many who are insubordinate, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision party. They must be silenced, since they are upsetting whole families by teaching for shameful gain what they ought not to teach. One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth.” (Titus 1:10–14)

    Here’s Peter Drucker’s view of doctrine and theology:

    >>”pastoral churches.” Their purpose is not to perpetuate a particular liturgy or maintain an existing institutional form. Instead, they’re asking what my business friends would call the marketing question: “Who are the customers, and what’s of value to them?” They’re more interested in the pastoral question (“What do these people need that we can supply?”) than in the theological nuances (“How can we preserve our distinctive doctrines?”).

    These churches are growing partly because the younger people need pastoring and not just preaching, and partly because, very bluntly, people are dreadfully bored with theology. They can’t appreciate the subtleties. And I sympathize with them. I taught religion; I didn’t teach theology. I’ve always felt that quite clearly the good Lord loves diversity. He created 2,500 species of flies. If he had been like some theologians I know, there would have been only one right specie of fly. But there are 2,500!

    Pastoral churches appreciate the importance of diversity.<<

    That quote can be read in context here http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/1989/spring/89l2014.html?start=4

    Seems to me that Drucker, and his current disciples (aren't you one of them Todd?) have run afoul of what God has clearly commanded in His word while Cornerstone Baptist Church of Chuluota, FL is taking these commands seriously and putting them into practice.

    If you're going to fault them for obeying Romans 16:17–19 and Titus 1:10–14 then you've aligned yourself against God.

    • Todd Rhoades says:

      Chris,

      Peter Drucker was not the founder of Leadership Network.

      Nice try though. :)

      Todd

      • I think the link below will suffice to demonstrate that Bob Buford believes that Leadership Network would not exist were it not for Peter Drucker and that Drucker is the father of the ideas marketed by Leadership Network.

        http://www.pursuantgroup.com/leadnet/advance/nov05o.htm

        Oh and by the way. That link goes to a Leadership Network webpage not an ODM site.

        Doug Pagitt, who used to be employed by Leadership Network tells wonderful stories about the conversations that he regularly had with Peter Drucker at Leadership Network. The way Doug tells the stories you’d almost believe that Drucker had his own office there. Hmmmm.

        • Todd Rhoades says:

          Gotcha Chris. Peter Drucker was NOT the founder of Leadership Network as you said he was.

          For the record… you were corrected, and didn’t take time to admit you had the facts wrong…

          I’m not arguing with someone like that.

          Proverbs 19:19 seems to implicate that you may have ‘aligned yourself against God’.

          Todd

          (Wow… that was easy. And no… I won’t be commenting any further to you on this post.) :)

          • Todd,

            There are organizational founders and there are ideological founders. Drucker is NOT the organizational founder of Leadership Network, and I didn’t say that he was. But, co-founder, Bob Buford is very candid about the fact that Peter Drucker is the ideological founder of Leadership Network. Here’s a quote from the Leadership Network site that I linked to above (and I can provide many many more).

            >>Leadership Network would not be the same-in fact, might not exist at all-were it not for Peter Drucker.

            Before Bob Buford and Fred Smith Jr. co-founded Leadership Network in 1984, Buford consulted Drucker for advice. As a testimony to Drucker’s profound influence on Leadership Network, Buford has observed, “Peter Drucker is the ‘intellectual father’ of most all that guides my approach to philanthropy. I’ve long since ceased trying to determine what thoughts are mine and which come from Peter.”<<

            Bob Buford himself says he can't tell which thoughts are his and which thoughts come from Peter Drucker.

            You can try to quibble with words with me but the fact remains that Drucker IS the intellectual founder and father of Leadership Network (that's Buford's view not my interpretation) and Drucker's anti-doctrinal views are embedded in the organization AND the methods taught by Leadership Network.

            Maybe you could prove me wrong and repudiate Drucker's views by explaining to everyone how Cornerstone Baptist Church of Chuluota, FL is setting a good example for the rest of the body of Christ on how to use technology to warn the church about false teachers and false doctrine and commend them for their innovative obedience to Romans 16:17–19 and Titus 1:10–14. Then you could also encourage all the pastors who read your blog to do something similar on their church website.

            I've got money that I'm willing to bet, that says you will not do that. And I think the reason you won't is because you're deeply immersed in the ideas of the Idealogical Founder of Leadership Network.

          • Said Bob Buford of Peter Drucker, “He’s the brains, I’m the legs.”

    • sam says:

      Chris…I agree wit you and Todd…buddy you are wrong.

    • I’m confused…not really. After reading the continual drivel, sorry, out of context drivel from the aforementioned author, I have come to the conclusion that Chris is a perfect example of a person who seems to condemn without all the facts rather than attaining those facts and making a concise and proper decision. Although what the Bible says about false teachings is obviously of truth, I just don’t see how this pertains to Mr. Downs exactly, that is, unless he was ACTUALLY proven guilty…which really only God knows. The book of Proverbs warns us of the masses who will spread rumors as it pertains to those involved in adultery. Seems like Chris, like many “Christians” seem to jump on their soap boxes as it relates to those not as “godly” – small “G” – as they pretend.

      The last time I had anything to do with Dave was over 35 years ago and this is what I remember about him. Although Mr. Downs, in today’s world of perversiveness, is even more unusual, it likely is because he teaches the gospel “rightly divided” whereas the vast majority of preaches tend to entertain the masses to the niche they sermon to. Surely, I don’t have the most minute notion to his alleged proclivities so I would be remiss to even go there unlike the those here who seem they have something to prove. Dave was extreme to many, but mostly because he always wanted to hold people to the letter of the word, maybe to a fault to the growth of the congregation. That is hardly the bullmark for determining the success of a minister. If I were to guess, Dave would try to hold his congregation accountable…which is a rarity. I could see a church pastored by him to have a following of disciples also “rightly divided”. Personally, I don’t know of a church who follows that behavior.

  7. Todd Rhoades says:

    And, Ken… btw… you were right. :)

  8. Damon says:

    This is sad.. The only good church to attend is a
    Reformed Baptist Church. Fresh wind could not blow through that place even if you opened the windows.

  9. John says:

    What a waste of man hours and space…cheesy too.

  10. Lynn B says:

    When Christians argue Satan laughs. We sure are easily distracted from our original purpose.

  11. Pam says:

    The Best Teacher is God Himself.

  12. Scott says:

    I am not defending this church in Chuluota, FL. After going through the list posted on their website and briefly reading the above posts, the question I have is: How should church leaders follow Paul’s instruction to the Ephesian elders to warn the church of those who are “speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them”(Acts 20:28-30) in a day which information, teaching and broadcasts available 24/7 at a click of mouse, remote, or touch screen?

    I doubt if I’ll be able to respond before the day’s end to any comments or thoughts.

  13. Michael says:

    Crazy sad. This is a main reason why people could care less about the church. (And yes I know how some will respond ‘it is because of peoples sin’)

    In many minds Christian = Hate

  14. Agreement in principle? Yes
    Agreement in publication? No

  15. MADPastor says:

    I hope their site gets lots of visits. How can I get on it? I am Mad Pastor. My website is http://www.madpastor.com. Perhaps people will go there and learn about me. :)

  16. alexandrea says:

    the idea is good, i think, even if the execution is flawed. not everyone has the time, knowledge, or strength of faith (or even money for all those books!)at this point to discern false teaching for him/herself. not that this can replace a personal mentorship, but many people don’t have that vertical relationship with someone in their church who can steer a new Christian away from questionable teaching. you’ve got to start with the bible, but then many people look for additional resources such as blogs, online sermons, and books.
    if you weren’t raised as a Christian, it’s easy to see “God” or “Christian” on something and trust it as you’ve trusted God because you’re just oblivious to what probably seems like splitting hairs at the time.
    people need guidance and one-on-one is probably better, but not everyone is going to search that out, but they shouldn’t be left on their own.

  17. Jonathan says:

    You all might find this interesting, the pastor of this church, David Downs, was arrested today for 15 counts of child molestation. I just ran across this blog and thought you should know.

    http://www.orlandocriminals.com//Mugshots/Rutherford_david_downs/1627174-e02198c7205d85b4be1f2816839b123f

    • Dawn Arnett says:

      Rutherford David Downs is accused of two charges of sexual battery of a child under 12 and 13 charges of lewd and lascivious molestation of a child under 12 – Those who point fingers at others usually have an ulterior motive….

      • sam says:

        The operative word is Accused….This church needs a house cleaning >>>>!!!when a highly reputable Pastor is charged, convicted, and hung by his own congregation before the truth is released. Or maybe this Congregation makes its own brand of the truth. Look to yourselves,those of you who point that finger and convict based on what Dawn saw as ulterior motives…which will cause a good man to be ruthlessly beaten down..and yet his faith in the Lord stands strong. Wow! Pastor Downs you and your family are in my prayers.

  18. Ed says:

    This is very sad to me. I have visited this church a couple of times and we ran anyway as quick as we could. Their whole basis and purpose (Cornerstone Church) is to let others know of false teachings and that THEY are the only ones who are following God.

    I know some people that call this church their home church. They have to be hurt with the news that their previous pastor was arrested. It has to make them question why and what their belief in God is based on. Some Christians follow man and others follow God. Hopefully as a result of these events, will help those people that are still there to seek God and place their faith in Him and not in man.

    Pray for the victims and families that were affect by Mr. Downs actions that they will receive healing and some how find God in this mess.

    • chad baker says:

      One of my best friends has been a member of this church for years which has resulted in numerous conversations between us concerning some of Cornerstone’s premises. I do have some theological differences with this church, e.g. Calvinism, calling brothers false if they have not overcome their fearful proclivities to not Evangelize, being overly dogmatic concerning Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Coptic, etc; however I would consider those differences peripheral and not central. I do agree with aggressive evangelism as I carry out door to door evangelism regularly and occasional open-air preaching; however, my approach tends to be viewed as significantly more gentle than theirs. Although I also have some methodology differences with this church (such as being imbalanced in my opinion concerning some of the more harsh attributes of the Godhead); I treat them the same as I do with other brothers who I consider to have an imbalance the other way (God’s soft attributes) and who are somewhat derelict in their duties at Gospel sharing in my view; I simply pray for God to help me be longsuffering with them . Ephesians 4: 2 “with all humility and gentleness, with patience, accepting one another in love… 32 And be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving one another, just as God also forgave you in Christ. Ephesians 5:21 submitting to one another in the fear of Christ.” My friend (whom accepted Christ largely on my witnessing to him) has grown spiritually under the teaching of this church, for which I am thankful and have joy. It is always tragic when Satan manages to take down one of God’s Shepherds, but as Christians, the most important things we can do is pray that the “Good News” will not be compromised in the Orlando area, that Cornerstone’s new pastor will faithfully serve the Lord, and evangelize to combat any confusion unbelievers may have about Salvation. This ordeal has also encouraged me to examine my own heart, First Timothy 6: 11 “Now you, man of God, run from these things; but pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance, and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight for the faith; take hold of eternal life, to which you were called and have made a good confession before many witnesses.”

      • Donald Ellis says:

        I’d just like to say that most of you, sorry all of us here are sinners, and the Bibles most known writer, Paul had committed much worse than Mr. Downs. I’m not justifying what he allegedly did, just pointing out the fact, that likely most of you hear fornicate with your minds, probably cheat on your wifes – and will deny to the death that you have done so – and still want to come off like we should think you, yourselves are holier than thou. I know I’m a real piece of work, and have done many things I am not proud of, nor is God of me. But, the lie is you guys. Trying to act as if you are sinless, and your sins are of less meaning than Mr. Downs. I feel sorry for him, and hope if he did do something horrible, that he gets a lifetime of help, but I’ll leave the judgement to God, not the hippocrite behind the pulpit, like Mr. Rhodes above, and the majority of you who posted here.

        • sam says:

          YOU
          are far more honest a man than you think my friend. Amen

          • Donald Ellis says:

            Hard to believe that the only church on the planet Earth where all the members are sinless is actually in the Orlando area (sarcasm). Sorry, not here to condone sinning, just to say, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I recall scripture revealing, “For all have sinned.” Seems that likely Dave needs to probably not be in front of the pulpit for a while, but gentlemen, if a man can’t go to a church of God to confess then that church has a lot of issues. Try Coastal Church in Daphne…google it, and you’ll actually see that the church is where sinners actually congregate to purge their sins. Why do people think the church is for only the anointed?

      • frankie cee says:

        what are God’s “harsh” attributes? to the saints He doesn’t have harsh attributes…???they love his anger as well as love as they are in harmony with His glory.

    • sam says:

      Ed: Pastor Downs was accused of this crime by a family member with problems. The so called victim has found salvation and recants this to her friends and family. She was allegedly spanked by her father and the state could not prove anything against Downs. Released and charges dropped. Arrested again? So now he is a criminal, lost everything..based on the discipline of his daughter. Ok…now the poor guy is a perpetrator…wronged. . Why are the number charges of 12-13 down to 2 presently? Is someone trying to validate their own bias? Look to the church body and ask…who benefited by this entire event? Who was elevated in the church? Come on..it would be better to find out what really happened before you hang this guy. I pray daily for the falsely accused…I pray for the Downs family as a whole. God’s will endures and we will see his decision. God Bless Ed.

    • I’m confused. “Mr. Downs actions?” I think now it has been verified – again allegedly – that he spanked a family member? ….another conclusionary response.

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