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Dobson: Country in ‘complete disarray’; God has ‘allowed judgment to fall upon us’

James Dobson this week on his radio show:

Our country really does seem in complete disarray. I’m not talking politically, I’m not talking about the result of the November sixth election;  I am saying that something has gone wrong in America and that we have turned our back on God.

I mean millions of people have decided that God doesn’t exist, or he’s irrelevant to me and we have killed fifty-four million babies and the institution of marriage is right on the verge of a complete redefinition.  Believe me, that is going to have consequences too.

And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us.  I think that’s what’s going on.

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This is the fourth or fifth time that I’ve heard the abortion debate come up after the CT school shooting.

Stop it.

Sincerely,

Todd



15 Responses to “ “Dobson: Country in ‘complete disarray’; God has ‘allowed judgment to fall upon us’”

  1. Kevin says:

    Thanks, Todd. You know, other nations have been sinning a lot longer than us. Other nations “turned their back on God” long before us. Why aren’t they being “judged” first? Tragedy is just tragedy. We are not ancient Israel. Putting prayer back in school, stopping abortion or voting Republican (I am not one) will not “turn our nation back to God”.

    Many of those who founded our nation were men of Christian principles, but they did not (IMO) found us to be a Christian nation… but a nation, founded in large part upon Christian principles, where people are free to choose their religion and their ideas. The idea that voting Democrat (I am not one) is turning away from God is offensive!

  2. Dr. Larry Lucas says:

    “Stop it”? With over 50,000,000 children killed, you have the callous conscience and audacity to say, “stop it”? As horrific as the death of the children and teachers in CT is — and it is — one should NEVER say “stop it” to the raising of the issue of the national holocaust that is abortion — the murder of unborn children. With the cheapening of life by killing such innocents under the sanction of “law”, is anyone surprised that madmen can reflect that cauterization of the national conscience by killing other innocents? Disgusting.

    • Todd Rhoades says:

      Absolutely. There is a time and a place for everything. I am as pro-life as the next guy, but trying to make a point that ‘sure, 20 kids killed is horrible, but we don’t care about the thousands slaughtered each day by abortion’ is both untimely and inappropriate.

      And so is saying that madmen run wild because of abortion laws.

      My opinion.

      Todd

      • Pastor Luke says:

        I don’t think it is untimely or inappropriate to point out that our society has things very misaligned when we (society) elevate one tragedy yet condone another that is the worst holocaust in human history. A colleague of mine decided to light 20 candles during worship this past week yet many remain disproportionately silent about the 125,000 children who are killed DAILY through abortion. I think people like Dobson are trying to point out that our righteous anger should be burning equally as hot if not hotter over the worldwide holocaust that continues everyday. As I was in prayer last week, God asked me that very question. “Why is my anger burning so hot over the shooting yet it is waning regarding the unborn?” I think God uses these events to remind us of the levels of evil we sometimes forget because they are ongoing.

        My opinon

        • Todd Rhoades says:

          And honestly, Luke… I have no problem with the way you presented that. That is MUCH different than Dr. Lucas’ response.

          Is there injustice? Absolutely.

          But as Christians, we look unbelievably ungodly to most people when we bring up abortion while people are mourning the loss of their children.

          Should it rekindle a fire within us? Sure.

          Should that fire be expressed as, sure this is terrible, BUT…, even before the funerals are completed? I don’t think so.

          We’re on the same team… but the Dobson’s (in my opinion) are not scoring any points for the team… just disdain from people that find it inappropriate, at least at this time.

          • Pastor Luke says:

            Point taken…we do need to be wise in what we say to fellow Christians (ie: in worship) as opposed to society in general. I certainly wouldn’t want the responsibility he has being on the radio as he is, never knowing who the audience really is. Same issue as Rick Warren being constantly critiqued from both sides. When Jesus said take up your cross he should have included a thick skin.

        • blessing says:

          I totally agree with Dr. Lucas and Pastor Luke. I enjoyed the discussion and got my share of wisdom. Todd, your comment of “stop it,” is tasteless…

  3. Dr. Larry Lucas says:

    On most issues I find myself in agreement with Todd — not on this one. I was horrified to read “stop it” being directed to a champion of life and the family. I am not certain it is in our job description as Christians to avoid giving offense by not continually pointing out that, indeed, the killing of over 50 million children by abortion contributes greatly to the cauterization of the American (and Christian) conscience. It is entirely inappropriate to say “I am as prolife as anyone” while rebuking a champion of life for standing for life at a key time when the point can be renewed. If not in the shadow of the killing of innocents, then when? When it feels better to others? I think we need to read again the description of the OT prophets about God’s viewpoint on the sacrifice of children to idols. Have we made “civil discourse” and choosing non-offending moments to point to holocaust the new politically correct Evangelicalism? Raising the specter of abortion and its consequences is an entirely appropriate moment when the nation is grieving over the killing of other children. Both are connected to the degradation that is occurring in American culture.

    • Todd Rhoades says:

      Dr. Lucas,

      I would NEVER go to a funeral home of a person who was killed by a drunk driver, and tell the mother that ‘this is horrible for you to go through, but just think… your son was just one person killed by sinful behavior… what you have to remember is that each day in America, we kill hundreds of thousands of fetuses through abortion”.

      I would NEVER do that.

      I would also never go into a funeral home of one of these kids that was killed and say that to their parents.

      Or to anyone in the community.

      It does not mean that I do not think abortion is wrong.

      It does not mean that I’m backing off on my convictions.

      It means that, while someone is still greatly in pain by the sin that someone caused to them in their loss, that I choose not to use that horrible death as an opportunity to make my own point about how much worse it is that a larger number of children are being killed each day by abortion.

      Dr. Dobson has done great work. I would just take a different approach here.

      I try to choose my words wisely. Not because I don’t want to offend… not because I choose to water down truth, but because I think has a better chance of being effective.

      In truth, James Dobson has been saying the same things for years… he’s had a huge public platform to do so, and the approach is not yet working.

      I wish it was… but it’s not.

      Todd

      • Dr. Larry Lucas says:

        Todd, no one is suggesting that you would go to a funeral, home, etc. to drive home the abortion point. It is indeed my point that would be inappropriate and that the parents, family and immediate friends should have their time to grieve. Since the nation does not grieve to that same level and is not personally affected, it is completely appropriate to remind them that outrage over the deaths of those children is viewed as incomplete when they can stand by and allow a vastly larger number of innocents to be put to death.

        My initial post was to suggest with a little shock value that you yourself should “stop it”. I am now old enough to observe many things in North American Christian culture that have come full circle — some several times. On the matter of abortion and the sheer number of deaths I now find myself in agreement with Dr. Jeffries at First Baptist Dallas — the reason we are losing the culture war is because pastors and Christian leaders will not speak decisively to such massive issues, whether or not it causes the loss of members, money, or some generic cultural appeal.

        Over the years the Dobson organization has made an impact. People have gone into politics because of them to put their finger in the dike of corroding culture. People have avoided abortion because of their influence. People have been offered compassion after the fact of abortion and other social evils. Think for a moment what it would be like had the Dobson organization not been there. Is it ever a waste of time to stand in the gap and confront social evils for long periods of time? Is the measure purely what produces results — or or their faithfulness to what they perceive as a call from God to shine the spotlight on social illness as it affects the family? Certainly they have been far more effective than the current politically correct version of Evangelicalism. On this subject, my brother in Christ, I disagree more than a little. On others, I agree with you.

  4. Dr. Larry Lucas says:

    There is a very large difference between the time and place for restraint on this issue and what is being suggested. Going to the funerals of the children whose lives were taken and raising the issue would indeed be inappropriate. Going to the homes of those parents and family members to suggest their lost is somehow lessened compared to abortion would be irresponsible. But using the event as a backdrop for pointing to the overall context of the cheapness of life in American culture in print, blogs, radio, television, etc. is appropriate.

  5. turby says:

    Sin has only one conclusion. DEATH. So stop making light of SIN. Murder is murder!
    If a Democrat votes to support SIN, then separate yourselves from them.

  6. Vancouver says:

    What is so silly about Dobson’s remarks is, if God’s judgement is falling, it’s likely due to the many hypocritical Christian leaders who are self-righteous, unkind, selfish, dishonest, corrupt, and spiritually abusive.

    Seems to me that’s who Jesus saved his harshest rebukes for.

    Yes, the sinners are out there doing bad things (abortion and homosexuality the worst things of the moment, apparently) but please, they’re *sinners*.

    How the evangelical church can not point the finger back at itself and say
    “we are supposed to be the champions of God’s love, and we’re failing miserably. If America is morally messed up, we’re the reason” is truly beyond me.

    • Same Dr D who eloquently told us how the country would by in 2012?

      My question: is that what Jesus would have said? Think about it. Don’t know… I am not a high priest, and don’t profess to have the Bible on lock, but I do believe the God I serve is a graceful God. I may not understand why things happen, but I do understand that He is in control.

      “Because” theology seems to eclipse grace when we allow it.

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